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Home cooked diet; Low fat
Topic Started: 17 Dec 2012, 11:49 (2,421 Views)
DawnT
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Since Molly was diagnosed with probable pancreatitis I have been trying various different things with her diet and had a degree of success in that she has re-gained the weight she had lost and is generally doing OK - but - she really dislikes the food and is getting more and more reluctant to eat it - which means she is also getting grumpy, grouchy and guardy :err:

Pretty much all the wet foods are going to be too high in fat for her apart from the canine special diet things - and whilst she will eat a small amount of dried food I don't think she is ever going to be happy to tucking into that long term - so time to switch to a home coooked diet I think.

She is only tiny (5kg) so I think making up a decent quantity and freezing portions is probably going to be the way to go - and I am also thinking maybe combining things and cooking into some sort of dog food meatloaf would also be good to stop her picking out the bits she prefers :rolleyes:

I need to keep overall fat content under 10% - aiming for around 6% ideally - but how do I make she is getting all the nutrition she needs and how do I know my overall fat levels :unsure: or do I just use low fat ingedients and manage it that way :unsure:

Any tips for home cooking :unsure:
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doggylover
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Turkey mince and mixed veggies ??

Or even beef mince if you fry it first and wash the fat off

We used to feed susie the above raw when she had had haemorraghing (sp?) gastroenteritis
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Shadowz
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Chicken , Turkey , White fish
Veggies ( I would start out with easy to digest none gassy ones )
Potatoes or rice

That is sadly what will make up most of your homemade diets for dogs with pancreatitis.
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Shadowz
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We had no luck with beef mince - just found even the lowest fat ones to fatty and greasy and Paris had flare ups on it.
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KarenP
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How about something like this?

Some of the other varieties are less than 10% fat too.
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Shadowz
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I think as its wet food due to the moisture you need to recalculate the fat content but cant remember how you do it ?
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DawnT
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Thanks all - yes the trouble with any wet food is the fat content is too high when you convert to dry matter so

Moisture 76.6%, Protein 15.5%, Fat 4.2%, Crude Ash 3.2%, Fibre 0.5%

= 23.4% dry matter 4.2/23.4 x 100 = 17.9% fat :err:
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gsdsian
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If you fed the natural instinct but mixed it with extra carbs/veg it would reduce the overall % fat. Or contact them direct and see if they'll do it for you!
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If you PM me your email address I have some stuff I can let you have on home cooked/raw diets :)
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Rabbit is one of the leanest meats, next to no fat in it so that might be worth looking at :)
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I don't know what the fat content is, but I know people who have to have a very low fat diet are recommended venison & wild boar so they might be worth investigating for a bit of variety :dunno:
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Nikkiwoo
17 Dec 2012, 19:53
I don't know what the fat content is, but I know people who have to have a very low fat diet are recommended venison & wild boar so they might be worth investigating for a bit of variety :dunno:


I was about to suggest Venison too! And rabbit. And I know it isn't normally fed in the UK but horse is very low fat with a good protein level. And my gang certainly love it.

Shame you aren't closer Dawn and I've just put 4 rabbits through the grinder for the dogs and I'm sure we could keep you supplied :wink:
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Hmmmm not sure where I might get rabbit from - although I have seen venison now and then - I am not sure she would eat raw to be honest as she is pretty fussy just to complicate things :rolleyes:

Are there any vitamin supplements I should be adding as I am concerned about missing something vital from her diet with going it alone :unsure:

Will PM you BunterJo - thanks :flowers:
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DawnT
17 Dec 2012, 21:09
Hmmmm not sure where I might get rabbit from - although I have seen venison now and then - I am not sure she would eat raw to be honest as she is pretty fussy just to complicate things :rolleyes:

Are there any vitamin supplements I should be adding as I am concerned about missing something vital from her diet with going it alone :unsure:

Will PM you BunterJo - thanks :flowers:
I think natural choice (or whatever it is called) from P@H do rabbit. I'm sure they do!

The rules are really easy once you get into it. I feed a prey drive model which sounds really complicated but is dead easy. If you are getting info from Jo then I won't explain it here. But what I will say is that Fik Harris, who had every food allergy going and could only eat white fish and spud (not even salmon) on cooked or complete, eats everything going raw and is doing fantastically on it :goodjob:

Some of my lot have surprised me with what they will and won't eat. Everyone however will eat everything if I stick it through the grinder. Holly who is a cow for not eating will even eat the cows cheeks which were, roughly chopped, spat all over the kitchen floor :rolleyes:

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Woldsway sell rabbit mince (or whole ones if you're feeling brave)

If I can successfully feed a wonky Rhomi raw then you'll do fine (but you can't account for pickiness :taunt: )


Fat content wise

Rabbit, chicken and veal are about 10% fat.

Turkey is about 20%

Most white fish is only about 3% fat, depending on which cut you get.
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Oh gawd - mentioned rabbit to someone else who is going to call my bluff and get me a rabbit :unsure:

I suspect I am going to spend Christmas hols hacking up various things and trying a fussy Molls with them!!

To bring fat levels lower then I will need to add carbs I guess - so rice, potato, sweet potato as varients for that?
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There are plenty of places online that supply rabbit if you have the freezer space. There are a couple of places that sell it specifically for cats too so it might come in smaller Molly sized packets :rofl:
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DawnT
17 Dec 2012, 22:17
Oh gawd - mentioned rabbit to someone else who is going to call my bluff and get me a rabbit :unsure:

I suspect I am going to spend Christmas hols hacking up various things and trying a fussy Molls with them!!

To bring fat levels lower then I will need to add carbs I guess - so rice, potato, sweet potato as varients for that?



I'm no expert on this but I guess as you feed less when you raw feed, that she will be ingesting less fat overall. I don't feed my lot any carbs routinely, or indeed much in the way of veg (apart from the tooth cleaning carrots for the ones who will eat them) but they do get odd blitzed veggies or fruit when I have things that need using up (I don't tend to cook it, just blitz in a bit of stock). They all get bits of spinach occasionally too - the big hounds as they do blood donations to keep their red cell count high - and things with viamin D in to make up for the lack of sunlight here as they are wimpy dogs from overseas :rolleyes:

Does she like cottage cheese Dawn?
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From reading about pancreatitis it is the fat content of each meal which is important so I think I am going to have to add carbs to bring it down - even just one meal too high in fat can cause an attack so I do need to aim for a different type of balance to normal raw I think :dunno:

I am going to the shops at lunchtime so will get some cottage cheese and take a look at the low fat yogurt :unsure: to see what she thinks of those.

Don't tell her Nikki but she is already having some cat treats too I found when looking for low fat treats :laugh: so portions for cats would work nicely :laugh:

Just to add to the complicated dog she is - she has enough of a history of resource guarding for me to be quite reluctant to give her anything boneish which could be guarded and this probably includes stuff as small as chicken wings :rolleyes: she will even guard a biscuit or thin rawhide strip if she does not want it at that moment :rolleyes:



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18 Dec 2012, 09:40
From reading about pancreatitis it is the fat content of each meal which is important so I think I am going to have to add carbs to bring it down - even just one meal too high in fat can cause an attack so I do need to aim for a different type of balance to normal raw I think :dunno:

I am going to the shops at lunchtime so will get some cottage cheese and take a look at the low fat yogurt :unsure: to see what she thinks of those.

Don't tell her Nikki but she is already having some cat treats too I found when looking for low fat treats :laugh: so portions for cats would work nicely :laugh:

Just to add to the complicated dog she is - she has enough of a history of resource guarding for me to be quite reluctant to give her anything boneish which could be guarded and this probably includes stuff as small as chicken wings :rolleyes: she will even guard a biscuit or thin rawhide strip if she does not want it at that moment :rolleyes:



I grind everything in together - meat, bone, organ meat.
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Jo, can I ask how small the grinder grinds the bone? Bruvva has found some chicken mince at a local butchers but Sef won't eat it raw and the bone can be like 2" shards of glass which makes me nervous (so I remove them :rolleyes:) I was wondering about getting a grinder and grinding it smaller :dunno:
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I think Nature's Menu does a raw variety which is very low fat too for dogs with dietary problems. They also do complimentary food like just veg and just lean meat with no grains etc.

Like people say, you feed less. Sasha is on top end which is 10 blocks twice a day - our neigbour's dog who is about Molly size has 2!

Their website is rubbish so it would be a case of going into the shop (pets at home) and having a look. I only have the chicken and rice at home but can have a look at that if you want me to.
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Thanks Becky - I will go and have a browse in pets at home too - at this rate Molly is going to end up using more of the freezer and better fed than me or Chance pup put together!!

I will carry out experiments on what little Miss Fussy will and won't eat and attempt to work out a long term diet from that :rolleyes:

Grinding bones would be the only way I would give them to Molls but I would be very wary of shards too especially as there is not much of her to start with.
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Our freezer is now 2/3 Sasha and 1/3 human food :laugh:
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The rest of the house is already filled up with various foodstuff for her - and every so often I have a clear out of stuff she can't/won't eat which my friends dogs gratefully polish off :laugh:
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