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Home cooked diet; Low fat
Topic Started: 17 Dec 2012, 11:49 (2,420 Views)
missuswilderness
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18 Dec 2012, 12:32
Jo, can I ask how small the grinder grinds the bone? Bruvva has found some chicken mince at a local butchers but Sef won't eat it raw and the bone can be like 2" shards of glass which makes me nervous (so I remove them :rolleyes:) I was wondering about getting a grinder and grinding it smaller :dunno:
Like small mince. I put it through on the big or medium setting after OH has sawn them a bit. Then on the fine setting. And you can always put it through twice. I tend not to do fine bones unless they are still inside the meat (so like rabbit or poultry) but chicken or turkey necks and things go through fine or the swan they are having for tea tonight, complete with most of its feathers!

I spot the odd shard but it is only the same as if they crunch it...

My big dogs all crunch away at most things but anything home grown and not chopped up fairly small I tend to grind or we get guarding and things down the back of the sofa. Since the rabbit head under the sofa incident I have decided grinding is preferable :yikes:
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I wouldn't be as bothered if he would eat it raw but he dunt like it!!!!
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18 Dec 2012, 16:10
I wouldn't be as bothered if he would eat it raw but he dunt like it!!!!
Have you tried pouring boiling water over the top and giving it a stir?
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Good lord Jo you don't expect him to eat anything with water on do you :rofl: It has to be dry fried or maybe with the tiniest bit of gravy on. He will accept flash fried but bruvva ends up cooking it through when I'm not here and that's what worries me. I found him doing it the other day and the mince was almost sandlike.
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18 Dec 2012, 18:23
Good lord Jo you don't expect him to eat anything with water on do you :rofl: It has to be dry fried or maybe with the tiniest bit of gravy on. He will accept flash fried but bruvva ends up cooking it through when I'm not here and that's what worries me. I found him doing it the other day and the mince was almost sandlike.


OK.... teach brother to use a microwave?

And send Seff here. I think maybe he needs more competition :mask:
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18 Dec 2012, 08:39

Does she like cottage cheese Dawn?


.... and Molls answer to this is she will eat individual bits if I pick them out and hand feed her them :goodjob: and did eat a few bits in a bowl - but walked away when I offered more so I think the answer is - not enough to feed her on it :rolleyes: although I might sneak the odd bit in now and then if I have any
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Yesterday I stopped trying with the low fat canned food she hates and she just had chicken and rice meals - the result was a much happier girl who ate her food well and did not feel the need to grump at all - so definitely need to sort out stuff she is happy to eat as it is affecting her whole mood.

I added a tiny bit of cottage cheese to her chicken and rice this morning - and she very politely ate round it :laugh: she did not even bother to guard it :laugh: so not sure if that was because she did not really consider it foodstuff or because she was content that she had eaten enough of the food she does like :dunno:

Once she was safely mooching outside Chancey pup polished off the leftovers and said they were delicious - she has kindly offered this service for future failed Molly feeding experiments :rolleyes:
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Good girl Molly :goodjob: Sasha goes very flat if she doesn't eat. She goes all listless and grumpy so it definitely affects behaviour.

I am one of the only people I know who feeds a dog before an agility competition because if I didn't she'd be miserable. There have now been studies done and it's been found the eating a small (I give half) meal before training for anything (I think they used scent games?) boosts performance, much like it does in children.
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Hmmmm - I suspect raw is not going to work with Molly. I got some beef heart and raw she would not touch it although will eat it cooked :rolleyes: had a mooch round Pets at Home this afternoon and they did not have the Natures Menu I wanted to try :rolleyes: they did have the minced blocks of meat - but the "rabbit" contained a lot of chicken and quoted fat was 14% so way too high for her. I have bought a block of fish for her to try - but also got a fish naturediet and whilst she ate bit she made it quite plain she was not impressed with it.
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Is she related to Rocket? He thinks lumps of raw meat are the work of the devil and carries them round the kitchen dropping them on the floor. It looks like a scene out of chainsaw massacre.

No reason you couldn't lightly dry fry it or roast it.
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Try pouring some boiling water over it. Give it a mush and leave for a few minutes to cool a wee bit. Some of mine are much happier eating it this way even my chainsaw masacre ones :rofl:

But some just will not eat certain bits. No matter what I do Meggie will not touch cows cheeks. And this is a dog who inhales her food :doh:
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Maisie is allergic to almost everything :/ She can't have any grain of any type, she also can't have potato or rice, and that rules out most dog foods, although Jo did show me one, but at the moment she has home cooked. I cook twice a week, she has fish, tesco frozen veg and lentils the first part of the week, then chicken frozen veg and lentils the second part. I add a tiny amount of stock powder to make it a bit more palatable, and she thrives on this :) The vet and I drew this diet up together.
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Lentils are another good idea - will try her with those too - she has had a bit of pasta today too - I think the only way I am going to get her to eat any veggies is to either mush them totally or make a sort of stew mix which she might then eat. I have not tried the fish yet - but fully expect her to not like it :rolleyes:

I am now realising the hard bit is not the low fat - it is how blooming fussy she is :rolleyes:
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Poor Molly. Im just wondering if you may be playing into her fussy eating because shes abit poorly?

Could you try pumpkin, squash, beans as carbs? Ive no idea on low fat diets but they were all suggested when Bram had to go on a diet for his joints.
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She was very underweight when I first got her and has always been a fussy eater to be honest. Before this I had found a food she liked and was happy to eat twice a day with no problems at all - but it is too high in fat so she can't have that any more.

I think the low fat food is generally less palatable than normal food anyway so probably no huge surprise she is struggling and added to that she does not seem to like fish which is generally the lower fat food! We have managed for a couple of months with the canned food -but she is getting more and more reluctant to eat it and that means sitting growling by the bowl and trying to bury it before finally eating it because she is hungry - all leads to a dog who is eating but who is grumpy and miserable.

Currently cooking up a heart, lentil and vegetable rissotto - hmmmm delicious!!!

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After various experiments Molly would not touch raw food - although we did have an interesting time when she decided to guard a bowl with a bit of raw chicken mince in it :doh:

We have compromised since then and she is currently eating the lower fat pet mince blocks, cooked with rice and vegetables added to lower the fat level. So far so good and she is eating fairly well and much more content generally :goodjob: I am chucking in extra bits here and there and intend to vary the veg to throw in anything I have around in the hope that variety keeps her happy and covers her needs.

She needed to go to the vets today anyway so discussed diet and the vet was happy for me to carry on with this :goodjob:
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Just a few more ideas - Oats mixed with warm water and a little hot dog sausage chopped up. Cooked liver or kidney. Mashed banana and yogurt. Watch the natures menu frozen blocks they seem low fat on the packaging but have caused two attacks here (apart from the fruit & veg one)

Prize choice frozen white fish blocks. Applaws in a pouch is very, very low fat. Fish4dogs salmon mousse pouch (not whole pouch even though Salmon oil is not supposed to start it off ) Wainwrights do a lower fat wet food and so do Butchers which have caused no problems here.

I look in the supermarket at the cooked meats and buy things like chicken roll or cooked chicken pieces that are usually reduced. Any meat I cook I boil so like a beef burger I would boil then squeeze it with kitchen roll, then pour boiling water over it again (just to be sure :laugh: )

I feed burns high oats now called weight control which is 7.5 % fat. The mixer is 6.5 % fat
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Thanks for those Santas Little Helper - must admit to avoiding hot dog sausage as I have not found one low enough in fat? Is there one lower than most of them?

She is a pain too as she is so fussy and not keen on fish :rolleyes: so does not like chappie (although will eat a bit of the dried) and does not like the fish prize choice or naturediet - both of which are greatly low in fat. I could not find Applaws pouches last time I looked or a low fat wainwrights :err:

She will eat a small bit of the burns too - now and then as long as I soak it first :whistle: she tends to get that if she is being a pain and stomping around for more food after she has had all her normal entitlement.
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The hot dogs are from Aldi:

Hot Dog fat content

P@H have both the Wainwrights trays and Applaws on line. The Applaws is on offer at the moment.
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Thanks - will check all those out :flowers:

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Ah - just checked out Applaws and it looks like they don't do it at the store I went to :rolleyes: there is a different one which does so will try and get some of that for some variety for her :goodjob:
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Do Batleys do the wet applaws?
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Oats are quite a high fat content I think. Higher than rice certainly.
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I am probably sticking pretty much with rice for her carbs to be honest - she at least doesn't dislike it :rolleyes: and it seems to suit her well - one attempt a couple of months back to try her on a potato based kibble persuaded me not go that route as it did upset her tummy pretty dramatically :rolleyes:

Not sure about Applaws at Batleys - I will call into PAH and try to pick some up to try at the end of the week to at least make sure she will eat it - although can't see any reason she would not from the ingredients list.

She was poorly at the weekend again (after jabs - will have to really think about that next year - although wanted her to have lepto part as she is a keen attempted rat hunter :nervous: ) so had a day of starving and is now back on part tinned low fat junk from the vets and part home cooked.

I am hoping as long as she gets a good variety of foods all she needs will be covered and can keep her well :fingers:
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