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Torn cruciate; hoping to avoid Indie's experience!
Topic Started: 10 Dec 2013, 19:43 (5,263 Views)
MistyTwix
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Dani is my six year old border collie. Ball obsessed, mad on fly ball, on the go 24/7. She had been lame and I rested her for five days. No Improvement. Yesterday we went to vet and she has torn cruciate. Nightmare. I couldn't really concentrate as my head just filled with Indie thoughts when my vet was explaining everything that was going to happen! Dani goes in for xrays under sedation on Thursday and then referral to royal dickvet school in Edinburgh for TPLO surgery. I'm not optimistic about surgery before Christmas :'( she isn't crate trained and hates when we put her in this new one but we need to get strict with this. Anyone with experience of royal dick vet? Ideas for curbing boredom when she is in crate (not food related as I need to control that)

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No experience of the op, but I see that the crate games method of training is often recommended when needing to acclimatise a dog to a crate quickly. Or maybe rather than a crate, you could work around - babygate across a utility room? Puppy pens or trellis panels to section off an area of a room?

I used stuffed frozen Kongs for Kiki's separation anxiety and because of her thyroid she did start putting on weight. I started bulking out Kongs with veggies (just basics mixed frozen veg), blended with a bit of fish. They liked the flavour (for some reason they like blended veg more than plain veg :blink: but the fish helped) but less calories, meaning I could give 3-4 Kongs a day and reap the benefits it gave without the weight gain. If it's within a crate, you could use things like frozen stock (I'd make my own by simming chicken portions in a pan - shred the meat and use the flavoured water, no need to add salt) as well - use towels to absorb any that melts.
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My brother has a pen which I can borrow if the crate is a no go. She was in it today and neighbour said she barked for 10 mins then quiet. She is lying quietly on floor just now but cannot rely on her to be like that when I'm not home. I will Google crate games......
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:hug: Elaine please don't let the Indie experience put you off. Her problems have really been with the elbow surgery anyway. Considering she had bilateral TPLO surgery at such a young age we were actually very impressed with how well that part went and how well she recovered. She has a slight problem still with her right hind but that was caused by the right elbow being so very sore following surgery which should not really have been done before her muscles had recovered properly. Mabel also had TPLO surgery and did very well. The rottie forum I'm on nearly everyone has had either TPLO or TTA surgery and most have recovered without issues other than minor ones.

Wait and see what the specialist recommends for post op management, again on the rottie forum we did a survey of what each person's vet recommended and they varied greatly. Ours has always been "room restriction" (which does mean no furniture and obviously no stairs) for 3 weeks with trips to the garden for toilet on a lead. After 3 weeks we start 10 min walks 2-3 times a day on the road and build up gradually from there. You may find they recommend the TTA operation which is less strict. With Indie we used a pen, not because we were told to but to keep her off the sofa, that way she could be in the same room as us but on a nice big bed with her water bowl and chews etc in there. Stag bars and nylabones helped as did stuffed kongs.
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You can still use food entertainment, you just have to be creative :) Remy's been in his crate for 4 weeks now, 4 still to go. This is a dog who puts on weight very easily and was a little over already when he went in. Last time he had extended rest he ended up obese and he wasn't caged then, so I am being very careful this time.

So, first thing, he went on raw food - more water content, so less actual food for the volume (works with tinned meat too). I then bulk it out with veg or oats, and then it gets put into kongs which I then freeze so they last him a decent amount of time. I find oats work better for kongs, they take longer to get out even when not frozen.

So he's getting entertainment - for him, one meal fits two kongs (one XL, one L), but I'm not adding calories.

Beyond those I'm afraid he does get bored a lot - it's difficult to keep a dog entertained when they aren't allowed to move much, and I'm also lucky in that he's a sedate 10yr old :laugh: Perhaps giving your dog something to do like dissection toys might be a solution? Putting a treat in an old tea towel then knotting it so she has to really work to get at that treat. High output for not much input energy-wise and wouldn't put strain on her leg.

I hope you are allowed to be a bit less restrictive than I am with him - he is in that cage 24/7 and as he's in for a slipped disc, he's basically not allowed to move unless he's going out for a wee (and I'm even supposed to carry him to the toilet spot and back but we've had to compromise on that with him being 34kg :blink: ).
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You can still use food entertainment, you just have to be creative :) Remy's been in his crate for 4 weeks now, 4 still to go. This is a dog who puts on weight very easily and was a little over already when he went in. Last time he had extended rest he ended up obese and he wasn't caged then, so I am being very careful this time.

So, first thing, he went on raw food - more water content, so less actual food for the volume (works with tinned meat too). I then bulk it out with veg or oats, and then it gets put into kongs which I then freeze so they last him a decent amount of time. I find oats work better for kongs, they take longer to get out even when not frozen.

So he's getting entertainment - for him, one meal fits two kongs (one XL, one L), but I'm not adding calories.

Beyond those I'm afraid he does get bored a lot - it's difficult to keep a dog entertained when they aren't allowed to move much, and I'm also lucky in that he's a sedate 10yr old :laugh: Perhaps giving your dog something to do like dissection toys might be a solution? Putting a treat in an old tea towel then knotting it so she has to really work to get at that treat. High output for not much input energy-wise and wouldn't put strain on her leg.

I hope you are allowed to be a bit less restrictive than I am with him - he is in that cage 24/7 and as he's in for a slipped disc, he's basically not allowed to move unless he's going out for a wee (and I'm even supposed to carry him to the toilet spot and back but we've had to compromise on that with him being 34kg :blink: ).
I think I feel so guilty leaving her in the crate when I am at work. My husband goes home at lunchtime daily but now its not for fun its just for the toilet and then back in again. I finish up next week from 20 Dec to 10 Jan and so she can be out of the crate and kept on the floor but then the problem of crate training her is just delayed. Checked with the specialist and they don't think they have a slot to see her before 15 Jan. I feel sick at the thought of Dani being in pain and stuck in the crate till then. Its adding 6 weeks onto the whole episode.

love the idea of a good treat in a tea towel!
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First thing I would ask is if they could do a TTA instead of a TPLO. The difference is that with a TTA the cut in the bone is done in front of the weight bearing line which means that while you still have to restrict exercise the joint can bear weight immediately and the exercise allowed is a lot more a lot sooner than for the TPLO. TTA is what Thorn had done, our vet recommends it as the better option because the recovery time is quicker which he considers very important in young dogs.


Other advice - don't let Dani jump off your balcony like Thorn did after her op, :yikes: no damage to her, but we both came very close to heart attacks :rolleyes:
- do be 'cruel' with the exercise regieme afterwards as it is being kind in the long term even though Dani will want more exercise than she is allowed and you will feel awful for not allowing it.

I am sure Dani will all be ok, even though yhe operation and recovery won't be fun and there are bound to be experiences that are frightening or upsetting :hug:
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Our Rottie cross Devon had TPLOs done on both back legs within 18 months of each other, the last one just over 2 years ago now. He had absolutely no complications and the result have been brilliant. He is 7 now and still gallops around with no hint of lameness. As Indie chick says, wait and see what you are advised as regards post-op management. At the time, we only had one dog so no problems with other dogs wanting to play with him etc, and the consultant did not suggest the use of a crate. He was confined to the house for a couple of weeks (not just to one room) with trips to the garden on lead, obviously no stairs, and then starting off with 5 minute walks.

Devon is quite a laid back dog and he didn't show many signs of boredom. He obviously didn't feel like charging around anyway so was quite happy in the house. The main difficulty in management that we had is that our house is on 3 levels, so lots of stairs, and there are steps down from all the entrances. We had to make sure baby gates were always secured across the stairs and we needed a ramp to put over the steps to get him up and down to the garden. I think I would have struggled a bit with this if I'd been living on my own, because he is a big, heavy dog and manouevring him safely on and off the ramp without putting any strain on his leg wasn't easy.

I can understand how worried you are. We were very apprehensive about the first op, but much more relaxed second time round. It all worked out very well though and I hope it will for Dani.
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Oh yes, Paul built a huge ramp so Thorn didn't have to use the steep steps down into our garden. Steps area an absolute NO!
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Dani has gone in for her x-rays under sedation. She was so hyper today going into the car. I tried to help her out when we arrived at vets but she leapt out so wildly that my fingers got caught and pulled in the lead and now I have a staved and bruised middle finger! I didn't cry (much as I wanted to) in case I upset her! I've to call at 2pm to see how she is and when I can go get her.
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Oh yes, always fun trying to teach a bouncy dog that they aren't allowed to leap out (or in!) anymore! I've had that fun with River (who has the same problem as Remy).

One tip - if you have to lift her in or out, lift her back end first ever so slightly, then she can't try and 'help' by pushing off as you lift and potentially damaging herself. I still have to do this with River or she pushes off :rolleyes:
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Cleo had TPLO done in July by the orthopaedic specialist at East Neuk Surgery in St Monans. http://www.eastneukvetclinic.co.uk/refcontact.html

I can't recommend them highly enough. We travelled down from Thurso on the recommendation of my own vet.

Cleo was/is a very bouncy dog and I was dreading it but she actually coped much better than I thought she would. I only crated her at night and when we were not around or if she wouldn't settle ( in the beginning when she was not to have any exercise.) Otherwise she was in the lounge with us.

The vet gave a detailed rehabilitation plan and I also used the plans on this site http://topdoghealth.com/

Cleo had an uneventful recovery. She had her op on the Thursday and got home on the Saturday. It could have been Friday but it would have been late afternoon and we had a six hour journey home so elected to wait until Saturday morning.

She hasn't limped at all. She was weight bearing on the leg when she came home and is now back doing agility- albeit at middle height only at the moment as the specialist said to take it slowly but that he would be very disappointed if she couldn't do agility again.

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How did Dani get on yesterday?
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She had 2 X-rays. Not much in way of arthritic changes which is good. Worst part is her appt at orthopaedics is not till 15 Jan. a long time away. She was very subdued last night but is happier today. On plus side she opted to sleep in the crate. Thanks for asking
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Yay for few arthritic changes. I would expect her to be subdued on the day, it does take a while for the sedatives/anaesthetic to get out of the system, can be several days.
Huge YAY for Dani choosing to sleep in the crate, that will make life so much easier.
:( for 15th January, I'm not surprised it's not before Christmas, but that's two weeks past New Year :err:
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The Dick Vet are part of the Uni of Edinburgh. I work for them too on a different site. We close from 23 Dec until 3 January. I knew there would be a delay if she didn't get her op this week but there are obviously animals ahead of us in the queue and this was the first date for an appt. I think she goes for her apt and then is kept in and operated on the next day. Dani has been very naughty over the weekend, I think her energy levels are at critical point. It's very hard to exhaust her without over exercising. She has buried all the treats she has been given in the fake snow I have on my hearth, under my Christmas tree skirt and all cushions have taken a severe beating as she attempts to bury them in the sofa. I feel extremely guilty just doing short lead walks and she doesn't help with the big sad eye routine when we are out. It's going to be a long wait.
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That look is soooooo hard to resist :hug:
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This is so hard. Dani is frustrated at not being walked and so is hyper in the house. I notice she is getting more lame. Feel sick at the wait for her op. The temptation to keep giving her treats is hard to resist and causing problems between me and OH. She is sleeping in the crate voluntarily which is really good. Roll on 15 January.
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:hug: I so empathise, it was awful waiting for Thorn's operation :( :hug:
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:hug: I know that feeling too. Can you take her out in the car, we did that lots with Indie so she had a change of scenery, a little drive then sit somewhere and watch the world go by for a while and when we got home she would be content to sleep/rest in her pen again.
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I hadn't thought of that. My only concern is that she gets quite bouncy watching people and other dogs. She is obviously more aware of the leg cos when she is out for toilet she only does her business then is happy to go straight in. Previously she would look for something to play with. She's fast asleep on sofa today after being up half the night stressed by fireworks. Two weeks today will be start of her long recovery
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Just checking in to see how Dani is getting on and to wish you lots of luck for Wednesday. We will be thinking of you as we are back at the orthopaedic specialists with Indie on the same day :fingers:
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More good wishes from here! :fingers:
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Thanks for your wishes. My OH (who has never taken a day off when his children were little for sickness/hospital appts etc) has booked a day off for tomorrow and Thursday to take Dani to the Vet School and also be there when she gets out. This is the guy who 'hates' animals - snort!

How do I get a urine sample from her? Is it just a case of putting a dish underneath; what do you put it in to take to the hospital?
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